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    Posted: 21 July 2008 at 3:12pm
How do you deal with longterm fatigue?

DH and I are so exhausted. Elle has been waking and playing loudly for hours at night for almost 8 months now.

DH was doing ok but Elle is now SOO loud that he is also awake half the night. She now shreaks at the top of her lungs then giggles at the echo and so it goes on...and on. She is really, really loud so sleeping through it is not possible. Last week she was awake for 5 hours straight 3 nights out of 7 and the other 4 night was awake for a min of 1 hour a couple of times a night.

Both of us are struggling at work, constantly fighting off colds and are just getting so fatigued that is hard to enjoy life in general.   We used to be very fit and healthy people. I was so tired on Sat I almost crashing the car 3 times and ended up in tears and with a migraine.

We've exhausted all possible options in getting her to sleep so until we can buy a bigger house we have to learn to deal with the exhaustion. Any tips? Elle is fantastic during the day now so no issues there...the only issue we have is severe lack of sleep.

In the past 2 years I have only had 3 nights where I have slept 6 hours straight. The rest of the time I average about 4 hours sleep. I seriously wonder how much longer I can keep going like this.

DH and I desperate! Any tips?
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Go to the docs and get sleeping pills is all I can really think of. We get some on script and we use them we when are getting really tired and need to catch up on sleep. We only take half of a pill but just getting a solid nights sleep really does help. We just don't use them all the time so we don't become reliant on them
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I have some that I use about once a week and they help me go straight to sleep but always wake 3 hours later and don't sleep any better the rest of the night. If I take one, and Elle wakes 1 hour later (for example), I still wake too and the pill has no effect from there.
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no help from me really...I am still fighting glandular fever....extreme fatigue here....and all i can suggest is time out and rest....does wonders...but very hard to do with working fulltime and a baby!!!!

send her to inlaws for a night? weekend maybe??

get a nanny in a few nights a week....I know SB had one when she first had Jack maybe ask her who they used? Nanny can get up to her then and let you sleep.

lock her in a cupboard...oops sorry no that is what happens in albany....
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Hi Bombshell - haven't seen you around much.

She doesn't need to get up, just plays happily on her own. If you get her up she gets upset, if you leave her she is happy as larry.

LOL at the cupboard. I was tempted to put her in the car one night! Well, sleep in the car myself that is!
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Have you tried the natural sleeping pills? i cant remember what they are called but its a blackmores one, i was recommended them awhile back and they worked a treat. much better than normal sleeping pills
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Yeap Simone...tried loads of different ones (I had insomnia before Elle did...I just overcame mine when hers started. Ironic eh).

It'd have to be something very very strong to knock us out enough to not hear her racket.

I got some silcone earplugs on Sat and they are better...don't hurt my ears quite as much but still wake me frequently as my ears ache with them in. We can't both wear them though as we have to be able to hear if something is wrong.
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Have you got the blue pills on the script?? Coz they rock. I would also get a blood test to see if you have cronic fatigue as well. I have that and getting the diagonis was great. From there my GP and me worked out a plan of attack.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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yeah but at least if she is somewhere else you wont hear her and youll get a good nights sleep....

fatigue is NOT nice....ive been fighting it off for three months now....
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I just need Elle to sleep really Becks. I don't think I have chronic fatigue yet...just sleep deprivation. It may come though if I don't get some good sleep soon.
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thats the trouble I guess, you kind of need to be awake to make sure she is safe etc. is she still in a cot or a big bed? If she was in a big bed would she get out?

i guess then eating loads of fresh veges, fruit will help and i have found drinking fresh juice in the morning helps me especially if i put ginger in
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Would massage help?? (but I think I remeber you saying she doesn't like to be touched) so maybe it won't.

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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So do you want tips on how to make Elle sleep, or how to ovecome the sleep depravation you guys are suffering from?

I would recommend a night away (parents. friends etc) for you guys (different nights) so that you could get at least one good nights sleep.  I think that sleep experts reckon that if you can get 2 good nights, it will catch you up no matter how sleep deprived you are.  Might be easier to deal with life if you guys are feeling happier.

Not too sure about what you can do with Elle - from what I have read you have had alot of suggestions, I don't think I can offer anything different.

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She is good with touch now Becks so we are doing some leg/ foot massages now. She is totally, 100% normal and fine other than the sleep!

Tips for us I guess Bel as we've exhausted options for her.

Just have to wait until she is old enough to be expected to comply with our instructions that she stay quiet at night.

At the mo when we put her down for the night she says "shh, quiet, no talking" and in the morning says "good girl quiet" even though she wasn't! If we ask to stay quiet she does for about 3 mins then starts up again. Rascal.

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Could you take the sleeping pill and wear ear plugs as well one night and get DH to do it the next night and just take turns? that way someone is "with it" to get up if something is wrong and you both get some decent sleep
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Ive been living on 3 to 6 broken hours sleep for more than 3 years due to my non sleepers. You do get used to it.
That said, though I have a few wee strategies for surviving.
At the weekends, we each take a turn at going back to bed for a few hours for a sleep in while the other shuts off the lounge doors and keeps kids as quiet as poss. I snatch cat naps where I can, 10 or 20 mins in the afternoon is a godsend. If I am feeling really bad, I go to bed earlt yo get a few extra hours.
Mum started taking Jacob when he was just over 2 for the night, that helps, and on saturday she took both of them (YAY!). Rod often takes Jake out on a sunday for a few hours when missy is in bed and I can put my feet up and have a read or even a sleep if I can. Beleive me, i just take rest where I can get it, and if anyone offers to have them for a bit I jump at the chance. I also take berrocca when I am feeling really bad, but mainly I have just gotten used to it, and everyone puts up with me beign freal some days, lol. Oh, and I don't drive if I am feeling too tired.
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I'm also one with 2 terrible sleepers so all i can really suggest is having turns going out and staying somewhere else once a week so you at least get one good nights sleep. Also have a morning each to sleep in and get a few extra hours that way.

One good thing about having no sleep is that when you finally get even 6 hours unbroken sleep you feel amazing.
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Can you move your two bedrooms apart somehow? Like, try sleeping in the lounge for example, or the spare room (if you have one?) to create some space to reduce her noise?
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Originally posted by busymum busymum wrote:

Can you move your two bedrooms apart somehow? Like, try sleeping in the lounge for example, or the spare room (if you have one?) to create some space to reduce her noise?


We have a 3 bedroom house but can hear her clear as day in every room, incl the lounge at the other end of the hallway. We plan to move to a bigger house once our current one sells.
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I am curious as to what you can do for Elle? Cutting down on her day sleep? Going in and putting her back to bed? I mean it really sounds like she is either definitely not tired or looking for something. Do you think she might be hungry or thirsty? Cold? Does she have a light or a heater in her room? She is getting right up close to that 2yr mark and should have some understanding of "Elle, you need to sleep".
Olivia is bottle and book to settle and at about 10pm I usually go in and resettle her with an over night bottle of water (she wakes up thirsty often) and flick on her heater if I feel she is not going to stay warm. I would also suggest removing any toys that she has in her room as that would limit entertainment. Olivia is the same, will quite happily play by herself but I would draw the line at her getting up in the night to toy test, that is OTT!
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