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Rachael21
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Posted: 07 October 2006 at 6:12pm |
honestly paws the only reason i managed was because i had no idea about what formula to get or anything about it and midwife kept convincing me it wasn't as bad as i thought and wouldn't tell me about formula. You are doing a great job paws.
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Posted: 07 October 2006 at 10:02pm |
well ithink the baby friendy thing in hospitals is not baby fridely at all i was made to feel a failer as a mother and being a frist time mum like i was a wuss for giving up b/feeding i dont think this baby friendly in the hospital is helping for more mothers to b/feed at all but it is making mothers feel guilty about feeding there babys the way they want/have too if they who ever they are want more mothers to b/feed then it should,nt be shoved down there throths or the mothers be made to feel gulity about the way they feed there child iuf your baby is happy healthy and growing well then thats all that matters when i decied to bottle feed james it was not a easy way out or a easy option for me
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 7:00am |
I've heard that there is a percetnage of mothers who MUST leave the hospital breastfeeding for maternity wards to earn funding or something like that
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Peace
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 12:49pm |
I would never say that breastfeeding is less diffucult and a more easy choice. I actually think bottle and breast feeding each have it's own hardship. Although I do think that it is quite sad that there is no support for the bottle feeding mums. I think it is wonderful that women want to breastfeed, if I had breastmilk I would be giving it to my own child. I do dislike how the establishment leaves you out in the cold, whether it is your choice or not.
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Maya
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 3:45pm |
My cousin struggled to b/f her first baby even tho she had decided beforehand that b/f wasn't for her the hospital put so much pressure on and she ended up a nervous wreck and bubs was on a bottle by the end of week two anyway.
With her second she had the confidence to stand up for herself and basically told the hospital to stick it and put him on a bottle from day one.
I think the enormous pressure to b/f is sad, especially given how little support there is in hospital to get b/f properly established. When I had mastitis I wasn't allowed home until I could feed properly off the infected side, because of total lack of help from the hospital m/wes it ended up taking 9 days, when if someone had made the effort to help me I oculd have been home 3 or 4 days earlier.
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mummy_becks
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 5:10pm |
have to agree that the hospital puts heaps of pressure on you for BF. I also think some plunket nurses are worse. I had one who was a nightmare and was down on me from day one seeing her as Andrew ws on a bottle. Didn't know the situation or reason for the bottle was just "you do know you should be breastfeeding him" It wasn't until I told her the reason she finally accepted my reasons.
I fully intend on giving it a go with number 2. I think this time I won't be as afraid to ask for help. I felt like I was an idiot for asking for help so never did and worked things out myself. But with BF I am goin gto need the help. And plus I just brought a nice new BF singlet in the farmers sales and so want to use it heaps.
If I have to bottle feed for what ever reason I know like the rest of us we did give it a go but something happened and had to switch to the bottle.
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 5:26pm |
I have to say, my midwife was an absolute doll about breastfeeding. She always said, whatever suits the family, is what is best. No baby ever died from being bottle fed! She really helped. I didn't have much in the way of people making me feel bad - it was the pressure I put on myself SUPERMUM!!!
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 6:59pm |
One baby has dies but that was because the mother made the bottle of formula up at the beginning of the day and left it out all day and gave it to her baby when it was hungry.
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 7:05pm |
I will say first of all that overall the midwives at North Shore were really great!!
That said I was not shown how to put the nipple shield on properly which was what contributed towards a lot of problems. The first time I used it a midwife just plunked it on my breast so I had no clue what to really do with it! I didn't know to wet it to put it on...I didn't know to make sure it was centred...or that there should be no raised bits or bits not firmly down on the breast.
Maddie ended up sucking on the wrong part of the breast just short of the actual nipple and I didn't realise until she was done. By the end I had what amounted to a love bite (as they called it) but there was white pus looking stuff having been sucked out and it was cracked and bleeding.
In addition I didn't realised that her bobbing up and down on the shield was further causing more cracking and one of the midwives even commented that she noticed it but she never said anything at the time!
My point being (and there is one in this long rant) is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of help in getting breastfeeding established which did surprise me. I would love to see a lactation consultant automatically come around and sit with you and help you get it right, not just a midwife manipulating your nipple until you want to scream and then slapping the baby on and you learning nothing!
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 8:33pm |
Hrmmm... maybe make a suggestion to the manager up at NSH?
In Rotorua, I was given so much support with breastfeeding as I was producing barely any colostrum so nipples were blistered, cracked, and I cringed every time that little mouth came anywhere near me. The Lactation Consultant came to visit and was quite a b*tch... but that made me even more determined to continue. Han had formula top-ups after me forcing myself to keep her on each breast for 5 minutes at a time. The formula top ups were a godsend! But I also managed to survive the pain and breastfeed for more than a year. Stick it Lactation Consultant.
But anyway, my point is, that helpful midwives allowed me to continue. So if they can organise the midwives to be less nazi and more suportive then the mother will feel empowered no matter what she chooses. (Except in cases like mine which work with the nazi treatment!  )
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Posted: 08 October 2006 at 8:49pm |
I must say that like Becks - i too thought i'd jsut figure it out with Paris and didn't ask for help - themidwife would come round, the plunketnurse would come round and they'd ask how bf was going and i'd say  GOOOD! (  )
but i made the effort second time to go to the breastfeeding talks up at palmy hospital at 10 am, talked to the lactation consultant that takes the session, told her about the problems i had the first time and she came and checked with me a couple of times before i left the hospital to make sure i didn't have any bad habits lol and wasn't having probs.
I did get to 6 weeks with Ayja and have the same happen as with Paris.. and got reallllly upset about it all - so began the screaming baby , stopping feeding just as i let down, didn't want to go back on, til i talked with another lady on the treasures site i think and they told me they'd had the same - and found that while they had had a few probs early on.. once it got to 6 weeks, after the big growth spurt, and the milk supply increased.. the probs began just like me.
The reason? having built the supply up so much, the baby would end up choking with the let-down of milk, because it was so forcefull that it was too much all at once and high pressure, so they learn to stop feeding once they feel that start - hence mum is left with screaming baby, milk going EVERYWHERE!!! (and not enough hands) so i began keeping a towel with me, when ayja did this i would just stick the towl over for maybe 30 secs to a min or so, till the initial force had died down.. and she would go back on like a dream and feed well.
If that helps anyone, then good, cos man i was baffled as to why i had 6 weeks of good feeding then it all went to crappers.
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mummy_becks
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Posted: 09 October 2006 at 9:15am |
Janine, i'll just come down a floor and see you and you can help me with it all after I have this boy.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 at 9:30am |
Hmmmm.... that's a great idea, Becks! Lord knows when I'll actually be at the hospital - some time this week, eh. It's sad to hear how so many women are made to feel bad about bottle-feeding. If a baby needs food, doesn't a good mum feed the baby?!? It's just logical to feed using option B if option A isn't working out!
I think the whole baby-friendly hospitals, promoting breastfeeding stuff is fine - BUT they've left out the most important parts, so it just leaves women struggling. What's the point in promoting breastfeeding if you don't give mum's the time to learn it and get it established before they're out on their own? 2 nights in hospital doesn't even give time for your milk to come in, let alone to get the hang of breastfeeding - it's just cruel to think that unless there are added complications that a woman and newborn are fine to fend for themselves a couple of days after giving birth! Craziness.
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Posted: 09 October 2006 at 11:08am |
the thing many wmone don't know, especially first time mums, is that if you are struggling with feeding, or just everything and anything in general.. have a talk to your midwife.. usually they can wrangle at least 1 more day for you.. you are well within your rights to stay for 3 days unless they are completely chocka blocka full, I did this with Ayja, i had her 4.35 am on the wednesday morning, and by thursday morning they asked if i was ready to go home that day! ha!, "NO" was the reply, "I am not, I am tired and feel like crap" and Ayja was a cluster feeder, but i guess they tried some other tactics.. cos i was in a double room which up until then had been just me.. that day they moved in another lady, and the next morningi decided that yes i would go home, cos her baby slept thru the night waking 1 time maybe, whereas ayja was awake all night and i felt so bad. I think the main thing, is not being afraid to ask for help - you are no less of a mum for asking for help, in fact it means you realise when you can't quite manage or meet your own or babys needs or just need a little push in the right direction. so ask, lol. (i say this now, i am a hypocrit)
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Posted: 09 October 2006 at 11:09am |
I actually totally agree with what you are saying Rachel (and not about people on here either  ).
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Posted: 09 October 2006 at 11:13am |
BTW Andie, lol, will be on tomorrow evening, then working graveyard shift on thrus night and friday night.. just for your info. lol... if there's anything you want me to pass on or anything.  lol no - i'd leave that to you and hubby.
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